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gyromitra esculenta's avatar

okay, as per earlier exchange: the paradox of tolerance is a non-issue because it's neither a paradox, nor a quandary that actually exists, and it has mostly to do with our growing body of work regarding so-called social sciences rather than popper's interpretation of it (same with thomas aquinas' proof of god's existence that demands we already believe at the starting point that god exists: it was right in the context of his historical time where the expectation was that anyone coming into contact with this specific work had the same expectation of divinity's existence, if that makes any sense).

in this context, tolerance is not an abstract or an ideal, it's a social contract. when someone is intolerant, they refuse to sign the said social contract, and exist outside of its space, so the situation is more: you can't be intolerant of someone who refuses to play with the same rules, largely simplified - it's the same way we frown on breaking the social contract regarding murder BUT murder the murderers (where death penalty is permitted and used). breaking social contract has to be punished. of course, this is grossly oversimplified to serve as an illustration, because those discussions require a lot of nuance, and deep dives into ethics and morality.

other thing that introduces a lot of confusion to the subject is the popular conflation of tolerance with affirmation instead of it being at heart 'i don't fucking care, good for you as long as your freedom does not interfere with my freedom or freedom of other people inside the confines of the social contract'.

so the whole 'paradox of tolerance' thing is a trojan horse and a gotcha for decades now ('so much for the tolerant left', anyone?).

as for the proper answers:

1. yes, people should be able to put simple dni but we should draw the line on invoking intrinsic characteristics (or derogatory language) - and in the context of ao3, dni should only mean 'do not comment, do not kudo, do not 'visibly' bookmark', because you can't put dni meaning 'do not read' on a published body of work.

2. yes, it should be treated as a tos violation because the intent behind it is openly derogatory towards a specific group of people that, until proven otherwise, function within the boundaries of said tos. (the same way 'nazis keel over and die' wouldn't be (or shouldn't) be a violation because the group invoked by definition exists outside of the boundaries of tos (and the contract of tolerance.)

3. comments are already held to a higher standard, but moderation of the comments is mostly upon them being reported, and that requires someone to already go into the work and into the comments. yes, notes and tags should be held to a higher standard too - they are distinct from the body of the work: they are metadata, and as such, they should not be intrinsic to the work itself. there may be some grey area to that distinction, but as such, notes and tags are not considered to be what is being archived.

ofc, all of this lacks nuance but that nuance is dissertation long, and the 'spirit of the law' should be readable between the lines, i think Y^Y.

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Correan Collar's avatar

1. yes, but i wouldn't support it if it was applied to religious n racial bounds. that would be just plain bigotry.

2. it's not a slur, but it is a p harmful term used by puriteens to harass n demonize people who don't fully agree with em

3. they're author notes n chapter summaries. they aren't fuckin essays.

4. i'm an anarchist, so no i don't trust the state to do that shit.

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